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Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Clockwork Angel Read Along Day 14: Chapter 13 Something Dark


It's day 14 of our Clockwork Angel Read Along! Please be sure to visit our link here for our schedule, guidelines and to fill out the form to be entered to win some fabulous prizes. Feel free to answer any number of the questions asked. You don't need to answer all of them if you don't wish to.

Today we're discussing chapter 13. Sophie opens up a bit to Tessa. Tessa is fighting her feelings for Will. Jessamine shows her true colors. Tessa lets Will and Charlotte have it. Jem offers to take Tessa to is favorite place in London.

* I really like Sophie's character, but I'm a little unsure of her judging Will to her last employer. The first time I read this it made me a little mad she would judge Will based on some horrible person from her past, especially since it seems like she doesn't really even know Will. Charlotte mentioned to Tessa earlier in the book that Sophie can see things others can't and I would agree with her that there's something dark about him. I personally don't think it's something all that evil, but something that he's battling internally that makes him put on this act and push people away. I hope that makes sense. Do you think Sophie is right? Do you think there's something dark about Will? Could there be a whole another side to him we've not yet seen?

* Were you caught off guard with Jessamine's conversation with Tessa about her motives for reading to her brother and wanting to nurse him back to heath? I'm beginning to think that Jessamine really is a bit shallow and selfish. Is that just me or do you guys feel the same way?

* What do you think is up with Will and his curt remarks to everyone? I seriously love how Tessa holds her own with him. Tessa herself really surprised me in this chapter and I wanted to stand up and clap for her on her frankness with Will, Jem and Charlotte and their motives behind wanting Tessa's help. Did you agree with what she said or do you feel she was being a bit dramatic?

* *sigh* Oh Jem. He always knows exactly what to say and when to say it. I'm curious, are you guys more of a Will or a Jem fan? I know that's a bit of an unfair question to ask.

Please keep your comments SPOILER FREE

36 comments:

  1. Will isn't evil, he's damaged. There's a big difference. So, I think Sophie is carrying some baggage and maybe sees Will the way he sees himself.

    I still think there's more to Jessamine that meets the eye, but her willingness to marry Tessa's brother did surprise me.

    I was really glad that Tessa stood up for herself if for no other reason than to put the Shadowhunters on notice. I think they are used to being obeyed and maybe it's a good thing that she set up some boundaries.

    I love Jem, but I am Team Will at heart. Tall, dark and tortured does it every time. :)

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  2. *I do think that Sophie is right about a dark secret, but I also think she is too quick to judge his character so harshly like that. I think that it's more he is punishing himself than trying to take his emotional struggles out on anyone else.

    *I feel like Jessamine is selfish, but I don't really blame her. I think it is just in the way she was raised. I pity her, and slightly despise her at the same time. I hope we get to see a better Jessamine, later on.

    *I loved that Tessa lashed out. She needed to do that to feel in control of her own life I think.

    *I have been a Jem fan since we first meet him in his room. Don't get me wrong, I love Will too, and now that I have read this book a few times I am starting to love Will more, but I am team Jem. *sigh*

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  3. Okay, I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one here who doesn't like Jessamine. I often wanted to slap her! At first, I thought she was gonna be another Isabelle, but she is nothing in contrast. Yes, I do think she's shallow and selfish as well.

    Team Will or Team Jem... Now that is a tough one! I can't choose! I mean Will is Will, but then again, Jem... I can't pick!!! I think I was more of Team Jem during the end of CA, but we'll see with CP. :)

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  4. I don't believe Will is evil. He has personal issues that are deeply seeded that he needs to address. It is obvious he try to keep people from loving him and himself from loving others...Jem aside.

    Jessamine is at least being who she is. It is mind-boggling, but at least she isn't covering-up that she just wants to get out of the Institute and away from Shadowhunters. She is like Jekyl and Hyde...split personality much??

    Good for Tessa for standing -up and speaking her mind. yes, she was a bit dramatic, but that is what happens when you feel you are being threatened. I also believe the same for Will. He was taking the whole 'good of the Shadowhunters' thing a bit too far and being dramatic himself. He definitely has no concern for who he hurts by his comments.

    Jem is the good guy. Good guys rarely win in these novels. I like Jem and find him more appealing on so many levels. Tessa would be smart to pursue Jem, but we all know that would make for a boring love triangle! I like a strong, bad boy who speaks his mind and also has a sensitive side. Will, so far, has no sensitive side and I just cannot get on board---yet!

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  5. Will is broken. Internally I feel. I think Sophie is right there is something dark about him but he is not evil. There is something I believe in his past that makes him the way he is now.
    Jessamine was always selfish and shallow to me. However, in the book it can be explained why she is the way she is. I almost feel bad for her.
    Tessa had every right to get angry I don't blame for it and she should feel good about it :)
    I'm Team Will for Tessa. I just love the darker ones what can I say? That doesn't mean I don't love Jem but I want him with Sophie :)

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  6. I agree that at this point Jessamine does seem shallow and selfish.

    I was very proud of Tessa in this chapter. I agree with everything she said to Will, Charlotte, and Jem, especially about their despising mundanes.

    I'm Team Will all the way but I think that Tessa will end up with Jem in the end. I do agree that Jem always knows the right thing to say. There are a lot of his quotes that I love.

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  7. I can't help loving Will. I'm not sure why but Jem kind of bores me.

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  8. Thank you for your great comments!

    Cassie has done just a great job at making me feel completely torn with Will and Jem. I can't really pick a side any more. They're both such great characters.

    I love that Jem can always defuse a "Will situation".

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  9. I LOVE Will. I actually found Jem a bit boring at first BUT rereading CA (and Cassie's CP teasers) has made me like him a lot more!

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  10. I was a little put off by Sophie's judgment of Will. I think that she can see something dark--but that that darkness is that Will isn't being honest and he's putting on a front. Maybe she's misreading it?

    I think that Jessamine just wants to get out of the Shadowhunter world and she would pretty much do anything to accomplish that.

    I love how Tessa can stand up to Will as well... and I think he likes it too.

    I like Jem, but I'm maybe a bit suspicious of him too? I don't know why. He just seems *too* good.

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  11. I truly don't see Will as dark. I think Sophie judges him because of what happened with her last employer but I don't think she knows Will at all and she probaly never will. I do believe that Will is hiding something but I also think it is something that happened a long time ago and he has just never been able to cope and fix it. I think Will is good just someone who is capable of making mistakes like everyone else and whatever Sophie sees I think she blinded by her hate.

    I was already getting the sense that Jessamine is shallow so reading to Nate to get his attention was nothing new. Jessamine thinks that she can get any boy and they should worship her. She also doesn't want to be a shadowhunter and she will obviously do anything to get away from that life. So no I wasn't caught off guard at all with Jessamine's attempts at Nate.

    I love Tessa and the fact that she has a powerful voice. It's good she stood up for herself but I think she is being a little over dramatic. I understand where she comes from and everything is new and overwhelming but everyone did their part with finding Nate so I think Tessa could be a little more willing to help. Even if she isn't a shadowhunter, she has a powerful gift that could be used for a lot of good. I think Tessa should help more.

    I am a full on Will fan. He is hilarious and sweet and loyal and just plain awesome. I don't get the same feelings when it comes to Jem. Yes he is sweet but that goes for everyone. I see Jem as more of a brother/friend. I so love Will.

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  12. I don't think Will is that dark. I think he may have some things on his mind, but he is a good person i believe. And i think not only does he care for jem, but also he cares for tessa, he just doesnt know how tocshow it.

    I donno if i would call jessamine selfish, but she as motives for everything. She obviously wants to get away, but she doesn't even know nate, he isn't even concious, i think it's wishful thinking on her part.

    I think maybe it was a little dramatic, but look at what she went through the night before, all that with the vampires, and then will in the attick, i'd say she's more than a little shaken up.

    I love both will and jem, but i think my favorite is Jem, i love how he treats tessa, and as you say he always knows what to say, i think jem is just romantic and sweet, and a really nice guy, i like nice guys :)

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  13. I didn't think Tessa was dramatic, probably Charlotte and Jem did, but considering how Will had treated her after their kiss I think she did right in lashing out at him, he more than deserve it.
    I love Will but I adore Jem, he owns my heart. He always has something nice to say and his tenderness with Tessa melts my heart.
    Love, love Jem!

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  14. * Definetely is something going on with Will, dark? I don't know, maybe is such a big secret that he's hidding, or something really aweful happened to him in the past that seems dark to Sophie, but I can't imagine Will hurting someone.

    * When Tessa came into Nate's room and saw Jessie in there I inmediately thought that she see in him a great way to get out of the shadowhunters world.

    * I love love love how Jem always has the unexpected words to distract Tessa for a second and makes her feel better when she's so sad. Jem is such a gentleman... Awww I have to say that I'm team both.. I can't choose between them, I simply can't :)

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  15. I do think there could be some side of Will that we have not seen yet. However, I think that Sophie is being unfair by comparing him to her previous employer's son. Just the way that he seems to care for Jem, if nothing else, shows me that there's some good in him.

    About Jessamine, "romantic love" has always been around, but marrying for love (and love alone) is a fairly modern concept. Yes, I do think she is being a little shallow and selfish, but she's been through a lot. I still have some sympathy for her character.

    It seems that Will does not want anyone to care about him, and he certainly doesn't want to care for anyone else, although Jem seems to be an exception. I still can't figure out why, but I'm sure there's some dark secret from his past that I don't know about yet. I am definitely a Will fan, but, as someone else already posted, I am a sucker for those dark, brooding, tortured guys!

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  16. I wasn't that surprised by Jessamine's true intentions. You can sort of see it coming since she is not often around human men and is desperate to marry a human, not a shadowhunter. I do wonder how that will work out though. She seems very selfish but I knew that from the beginning when Cassandra first described Jessamine, she has that sort of attitude that just screams vain and self centered.

    I think Tessa is smart to look deeper into the help she's being provided by Charlotte et al. Everyone has their motives and I doubt that all of them are pure.Charlotte might want to advance in her career by discovering Tessa's gift, Jessamine clearly wants an in to the human male population so she can find a husband. Jem seems to truly want to help her. I think Will doesn't really care about using Tessa though I can't figure out why he would want to help her other than that he really likes her and wants to protect her.

    I'd have to say that in this book, I don't really care who Tessa ends up with. It's not that they aren't good guys; it's the opposite. They both seem to be good and bad for Tessa with no clear cut decision. It feels like Tessa will end up with Will because of their great chemistry which I find is more potent than the chemistry between Jem and Tessa. On the other hand, Jem seems so nice and caring and I like that he isn't hiding anything whereas Will most definitely is. I feel either of them could be with Tessa and nothing much would change but I think Tessa will end up with Will.

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  17. I think that,after what happened to her, Sophie became more aware of who is around her in a way to protect herself from any other boy,and since Will reminds her so much of her last employer, she pays more attention to him and ,probably, realizes that he is hiding something really huge about him.

    It's really hard to choose between Jem and Will, but I love how Jem is always there for anyone who needs him,and how he mocks Will all the time and shows such a great affection for Tessa.

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  18. Sophie senses something dark in Will..but I don't thinks it is evil...Somewhere in his past something bad happened and Will blames himself...self-loathing has put up walls and relates to others through sarcasm

    Jessamine is trapped in a life/world she hates and is desperate to find a way out...Even hooking Nate if that is what it takes...Vain and self-centered...a character I don't particularly like...

    Glad Tessa stood up for herself....letting the others know how she feels...they may understand her better and treat her accordingly

    A Will fan from the start....Jem is sweet and gentle (boring) where as Will is complex, complicated, passionate...(I could go on and on)

    StephAnnee

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  19. I finally caught back up with the readings!

    *Yes, I agree with you that Will does have something dark about him, but that it's an internal thing not evil exactly. I think something awful happened in his past that he feels guilty about and eats away at him. He was so shook up about killing the boy vampire subjugate that I wonder if he murdered a boy in his past possibly by accident as well.

    *Yes we always knew Jessamine was shallow, but I think that has a lot to do with how she grew up. Her whole obsession with a boy she'd never spoken to but thinks is handsome really just makes me laugh. I find her funny since nothing she does is really hurting anyone else; it's just silly.

    *I do agree mostly with what Tessa said to the group, but I think it was a bit emotionally charged since she was angry and hurt by Will. Will sure does like to take his anger out with words doesn't he?

    *I love Jem! He is just so sweet. Every girl needs a man like Jem in her life. He's caring, thoughtful, smart, strong, handsome . . . Will is a fun character to like though. He's very interesting, and I want to know what makes him act the way he does. He cares for Tessa, but won't admit it to himself which is just childish and annoying. I have to admit that the kissing scene in the last chapter was just plain hot!

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  20. I thought Tessa took things a bit far with her tirade. They have nice to her. She had some good points, but just took it to the extreme.

    Will definitely has some dark secrets and problems, but he's not evil.

    This time around, I am torn between Jem and Will. Jem is such a good guy. He's the guy to marry. But I am totally into Will. He just needs to be fixed a little.

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  21. I think there is something dark about Will, but I don't think it is bad, like Sophie thinks.

    I think Jessamine is an 19th century lady who wants what many other proper girls want. She wants to be loved, and be a wife and mother. She hates the shadowhunter life. I think she is selfish, but she also knows what she wants and will do what she has to do to get it.

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  22. I also did not like how Sophie seems so judgmental of Will by comparing him to her previous employer. I too did not feel that was fair of her.

    Will has a lot of self loathing. It is possible that he has done something in his past that was so out of his character that he can not ever forgive himself. This indeed could make him feel evil and thus creating a darkness within.

    I really was not caught off guard with how Jessamine acted. It seemed pretty spot on for her character.

    I think Will experienced a moment of what he would consider weakness. He started to have feelings so strong for Tessa that it terrified him. Will's remarks to everyone is his way to keep pushing people who care and love him away. He shows them a side that he hopes will make them question why they care for him.

    Jem <3 <3
    He is such a contrast to Will. Jem is Will's true friend. He always has his back. Jem is a constant remainder to us that somewhere deep inside Will is a heart and soul that deserves a friend and to be loved.
    Jem is every ones rock and shining armor.
    I have to say I am a fan of both for different reasons. I have to love them both!

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  23. I think Sophie is right and there is something dark inside Will. You have to see things from her perspective - she's a servant and Will has made some suggested remarks to her that probably reminded her of her last employer. He also leaves messes for her clean. If I was her, I wouldn't like him either. I hope she ends up with Thomas.

    I think Jessamine is selfish and shallow too. It will catch up with her.

    Will is somehow drawn to Tessa and I think there is more to it than just physical attraction. I was glad that Tessa told him off. He deserved it.

    I LOVE JEM!!!

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  24. I think Will has something that he's hiding. It could just be something he's battling on the inside.

    Jessamine drives me crazy. I can't relate to her husband search at all. I think she's incredibly selfish. Hopefully Nate will reject her when he wakes up.

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  25. - I agree with you, I think she's right abut there being something very dark about him, a secret that's eating him away. I just want to know what is it that is so awful that he has to push everyone away ? That he has to be so mean ?

    - I think Jessamine is selfish, but also really desperate. The first time I read it completely caught me off guard and I thought it was really funny actually.

    - I agree with her to some extent, I didn't think the particular situation recalled for everything she said, it made me sad for Charlotte. But I like that she can hold her own with Will, and that's one of the reasons I like them together, she doesn't take his crap, even when he hurts her she knows there's something else there about him and she fights back.

    - Uhm, I love how nice and full of wisdom Jem is. I still haven't got a hold of his character exactly, I like him and I love his relationship with Will. I'm more of a Will fan, even when he's absolutely rude, and I think his rudeness has a cause, not that his past/whatever secret he's hiding excuses his behavior, but because I think Will is broken and has such a low concept of himself and of what he deserves that he tends to ruin things around him, he wants people to hate him because he hates himself (or something he did ?). That's my take on him. And I really like his sense of humor.

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  26. I really think that Sophie just holds the same prejudices that Maia had toward people like her brother. Will seems like he is only battling an internal conflict.
    I dont like Jessamine. Not one bit. She is selfish and annoying.

    I love Jem!. He he I like the tragic cute character.

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  27. I don't think it really sounds like she is comparing him that much to her old employer. She sees something in him that is very dark and believe that she's right. I'm not sure it is evil though. It might be and it's something he's fighting to supress and being with Tessa like they were in the attic made it harder to keep controll over it? But it's more likely that it is something dark that has happend to him, something he is batteling all by himself everyday. What he doesn't realise is that he doesn't have to battle it alone, at least I hope so...

    Her actions doesn't surprise me. She wants out of the institute and the world of shadowhunters, BADLY. She would probably do anything to accomplich her goals. She is a very selfish person... but I have a feeling we're gonna see a better side of her sooner or later :)

    I understand her anger but I think part (or even most) of her outburst grounds in what happend the night before. She's hurt by Will's rejection and seeing him indiffrent and also seeming to want everything that is associated with her out of his sight, which includes her borther, it makes it easier to be angry. She might have meant some of what she said but I don't think it quite bothered her as much as she made it look like with her outburst.

    Sorry, still more of a Will fan. Must be something with the handsome snarky and broken boys :P Jem is gold though <3

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  28. * I do think Sophie is right, there is something Will is hiding, he plainly has issues. But I don't agree with her judging him by her last employer.

    * I was not surprised at Jessamine's actions. She is so focused on what she wants (to get out of her world) she ignores everything else. I do think she is selfish.

    * I think Will made some uncalled remarks, and Tessa reacted emotionally. I think they both took the conversation too far.

    * I do love Jem, but for me Will is #1.

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  29. I've said it before, I will say it again GO TEAM JEM!! I adore Jem. Everything about him. His personality, his looks, his attitude, all of it.
    As for Sophie, Charlotte said Sophie can see things others can't. I think this goes past having the Sight. She is exceptionally intutive. I think she is seeing what he is trying to hide.
    Jessamine. Oh sweet Jessie. She has issues. Big huge ginormous issues. I think she is acting like most teenagers do. She is doing what she wants, how she wants to. It gives me the impression of an extremely large tantrum.
    Finally, Tessa and Will. I find it unfair to judge people when they are emotionally unstable, like Tessa is. Her brother was just almost killed and so of course she is worried about him. It makes sense. I liked this chapter. I think it flowed well and it really explained what was going on.

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  30. I've thought of Sophie's gift as the ability to see through glamour. I would be surprised if she could see something in Will that even other Shadow hunters could not see.
    Since Will was so young when he came to the Institute, I can't imagine that he personally did anything horrible in his past.

    Jessamine's behavior is typical for the time period. We can't judge her by our modern standards. Upper class women of her time did not have a choice of occupation. Marrying was their only option.

    Will's remarks always keep me laughing. I'm anxious to find out the back story about his family so we can know why he is scared to get emotionally close to anyone.

    Will is an out of control wild fire. Jem is the steady fire in the hearth that warms you on a winter night.

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  31. i guess sophie is right about will in a way, but i agree with you that she shouldn't judge will when she hasn't really gotten to know him. well, no one has really. sophie tolerates will badly though - she's always talking about him not deserving tessa's love, etc, when she hardly knows him. however, i do think there's something dark in will - but not as in will is evil himself, he's just got a dark secret or something that's tearing him apart inside. and maybe sophie can sense that something's wrong with him, and maybe she's also scared of him.

    i kind of expected jessamine to be like that; to fall quickly in love with a guy just because of his looks. she does seem shallow and selfish, but i think it makes sense in her time period. especially seeing as she was an orphan, i would think she wanted to be married off to a lovely man quickly.

    i understand how tessa would act that way to will. it must be really frustrating to see will all secluded, then indifferent, then hostile. and tessa herself must also be quite confused as to why will is acting like that all the time. she probably also suspects something is up with will, and i guess she just feels really stressed seeing her brother just coming back from near execution by vampires, and then will just going up and acting like that.

    i think jem's a huge sweetie, and i love how he's always quite empathetic and understanding. he's amusing, and he lightens up the mood of the others (most of the time). he's a real big contrast to will, and it's just the stark differences between will and jem that make them all the more intriguing to me. i don't know which one i prefer more, because they both have fascinating characteristics and personalities. plus, we still don't know too much about them, so i haven't really got a final opinion on either of them. anyway, i'm fond of them both.

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  32. I think Sophie's judgements are understandable. A bit unfair, but I can't blame her. I also think Sophie knows something that she hasn't told anyone about. Actually, it's probably something about Will that she knows that disgusts her,but Will made her swear to keep quiet.

    Jessamine cracks me up. This girl is a piece of work, and also a force to reckon with.

    My personal favorite Tessa scene. This girl kicks major booty with words.I do agree with most of what she said. I just love re-reading this scene. How I pictured Will's face...priceless. This is actually the one scene where i truly hate Will.

    JEM. And I love what jBess said about him two comments above. Right on description.

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  33. At first I was rather surprised at Jessamine's comments about wanting to woo Nate, but then she explained that he's just a means to an end of getting out of the Institute and on her own. It's sad how desperate she is to get out of there that she would even consider marrying a complete stranger...

    Will is obviously upset and having some sort of internal battle over what has transpired between him and Tessa. Men also tend to be cranky when they're hungry, so maybe he should just eat something.... yes?

    Jem is such a sweetheart. I can see how he can be seen as a best friend rather than a lover, yet I can also see how easy it would be to love him. Not because of his mortality, but because he seems so genuinely good at heart. This chapter solidifies a spot in my heart just for him.

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  34. I know that there is more to Jessamine than meets the eye, but she seems so opportunistic at first that her comment about Nate didn't surprise me.
    Will's comments, on the other hand, never cease to surprise me. Even though they should be predictable, you just never know what he is going to say. I love the way that Tessa and Will 'play' off each other though.
    Jem is such an endearing character. As much as I love Will and Tessa's heated moments, I adore Jem and Tessa's tender ones. I'm still not sure I can pick a 'team' and don't know that I really want to. ;)

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  35. I think Sophie is right with Will, I think she has long enough been serving the Shadowhunters to know what really Will is and to judge him like that. Will is a character I think who needs attention but when he gets it he makes you feel unwanted, I do think he is hiding something.

    I really love Tessa, I think she is a very powerful character when willied to.

    I love Will but I got to say that Jem is just the right man for me. I love his interactions with Tessa. Jem is just the perfect man who you can always count on.

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